<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"><base href="x-msg://477/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Marius,<div><br></div><div>I think adding the ModifiedTimeType type is a very good idea. However, I think I would prefer to put this type as a type def of the TimeStamp class.</div><div><br></div><div>Adding this type def would make a great first step towards updating this type. I have not looked into the detail of all the atomic operations to know if what you proposed is plausible. But I think you could make a patch to gerrit with this first step either way. </div><div><br></div><div>I also found this interesting:</div><div><br></div><div><div>$ git grep "GetMTime" | wc -l</div><div> 292</div></div><div><br></div><div>300 seems like it may be do able to quickly check the usage of these methods too.</div><div><br></div><div>Brad</div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 24, 2012, at 9:28 AM, "<a href="mailto:M.Staring@lumc.nl">M.Staring@lumc.nl</a>" <<a href="mailto:M.Staring@lumc.nl">M.Staring@lumc.nl</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-GB" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Hi Brad,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">The std::vector may indeed be a good alternative. I made the filter that uses the itk::VectorContainer a long time ago, and I forgot why I chose one over the other. It is going to be some work for me to change this. I will have a look to guess how much work that will be.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Regarding the timestamp type. What I thought that could be done is to define a type in itkIntTypes:<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: 36pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; color: blue; ">typedef</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>SizeValueType ModifiedTimeType;<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">and then use it throughout the toolkit. This way you avoid trickiness across platforms, right?<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">That would mean replacing all these unsigned longs in itkTimeStamp.cxx and also in many other classes with ModifiedTimeType. That is also some work of course:<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-indent: 36pt; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">grep "unsigned long GetMTime" -r * | wc -l<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">gives me 21 which is not so bad.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">What do you think of this approach?<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Regards, Marius<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Bradley Lowekamp [mailto:blowekamp@<a href="http://mail.nih.gov" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">mail.nih.gov</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>maandag 24 september 2012 15:13<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Staring, M. (LKEB)<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:insight-developers@itk.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">insight-developers@itk.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Insight-developers] type of modification time<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Hello Marius,<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">The modify is a moderately expensive operation, as it evolves a mutex lock or an atomic operation. I think the simplest thing to do is not it to use the VectorContainer for this situation why was this chosen over the stl vector container? Looking at the implementation of the itk::VectorContainer, it looks rather unfortunate that the Modified is called for so many operations, as it really makes it not suitable for many situations.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">As for changing the type to a large integer type, that seems like a good thing to me. The good thing now is that all compilers which ITK supports have the unsigned long long type. The bad news is that if you look at the itkTimeStamp.cxx file there are separate paths for win32, apple and gcc. So there are quite a few paths of code which will need to be implements. It's going to be very tricky to get all the types to match in both 32 and 64 bit builds across the platforms, there there are all the usage of the timestamp which may have a cast. <o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">What do you think will be best for you to do?<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Brad<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On Sep 24, 2012, at 7:45 AM,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:M.Staring@lumc.nl" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">M.Staring@lumc.nl</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">The type of the modified time in ITK (m_MTime in Object) is itk::TimeStamp which in turn has a member:<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">unsigned long m_ModifiedTime;<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">So this member can count in the range 0 till ulong max, which is about 4 x 10^9.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">For my particular case this member overflows. I'm using the itk::VectorContainer and every time an item is inserted Modified() is called which increases the unsigned long value. In my case I am using minimal spanning trees and a simple algorithm would have N^2 inserts with N the number of points of the tree, which is about 5000 for my application so 5000^2 = 25 x 10^6. Then I re-use the container in an iterative algorithm, which makes the problem worse. I can do about 85 iterations and then it overflows. (This causes my filter to never update anymore, even if I explicitly call modified on it, or on the output, or call ResetPipeline().)<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">A solution to this issue would be to use an unsigned long long for this variable. From itkIntTypes.h there is the typedef SizeValueType which may be appropriate.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Before I start preparing a patch: Does this seem like a good approach to you?<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Regards, Marius<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Marius Staring, PhD<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Division of Image Processing (LKEB)<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Department of Radiology<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Leiden University Medical Center<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">PO Box 9600, 2300 RC Leiden, The Netherlands<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">phone: +31 (0)71 526 2137, fax: +31 (0)71 524 8256<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><a href="mailto:m.staring@lumc.nl" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; "><span style="color: purple; ">m.staring@lumc.nl</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; ">_______________________________________________<br>Powered by<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.kitware.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; "><span style="color: purple; ">www.kitware.com</span></a><br><br>Visit other Kitware open-source projects at<br><a href="http://www.kitware.com/opensource/opensource.html" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; "><span style="color: purple; ">http://www.kitware.com/opensource/opensource.html</span></a><br><br>Kitware offers ITK Training Courses, for more information visit:<br><a href="http://kitware.com/products/protraining.php" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; "><span style="color: purple; ">http://kitware.com/products/protraining.php</span></a><br><br>Please keep messages on-topic and check the ITK FAQ at:<br><a href="http://www.itk.org/Wiki/ITK_FAQ" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; "><span style="color: purple; ">http://www.itk.org/Wiki/ITK_FAQ</span></a><br><br>Follow this link to subscribe/unsubscribe:<br><a href="http://www.itk.org/mailman/listinfo/insight-developers" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; "><span style="color: purple; ">http://www.itk.org/mailman/listinfo/insight-developers</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>