[ITK-users] [ITK] [ITK-dev] Migration to GitHub

Bill Lorensen bill.lorensen at gmail.com
Mon Jul 31 20:54:10 EDT 2017 

Yes, at least they all use git...


On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 8:43 PM, Andras Lasso <lasso at queensu.ca> wrote:
> Yes, processes are different. But it helps if at least tools are the same.
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> Andras
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> From: Bill Lorensen
> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 20:33
> To: Andras Lasso
> Cc: Matt McCormick; Insight-Users; Hans Johnson; Insight Developers List
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> Subject: Re: [ITK] [ITK-dev] [ITK-users] Migration to GitHub
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> Andras,
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> Each of our systems, VTK, ITK and Slicer use a different process. I am
> only comfortable with the one that I am currently using. If I change
> from VTK to Slicer, I need to relearn. Even from VTK to ITK I have to
> relearn a bit.
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> Until we all use the same process, we will have these issues. And that
> I can assure you, will never happen...
>
> Bill
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> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 8:14 PM, Andras Lasso <lasso at queensu.ca> wrote:
>>> I think the key factor is "community", and GitHub has the open source
>>> community.
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>> Exactly! As a project leader, I don't like really GitHub as many features
>> are missing (that are standard on other project hosting services), you have
>> no influence on how things are evolving, there is effectively zero support
>> or customization (at least for free plans). However, our users and
>> contributors prefer/demand GitHub, as they are already familiar with it,
>> know how to submit pull request, how issues are managed, and already have
>> account set up.
>>
>> About GitHub/Kitware GitLab:
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>> I heard that VTK is going to move to GitHub, too. Maybe I misunderstood,
>> but make sure to talk to VTK folks before considering moving to GitLab.
>> Anyway, as a very active user but only occasional contributor of VTK, I find
>> VTK GitLab quite frustrating due to that:
>> 1. It is slow. I heard that it's fast when accessed from inside Kitware
>> network, but most community members are outside.
>> 2. I need to re-learn each time I use it: I review code, submit PR or bug
>> report once in every few months - and each time I need to spend 20-30
>> minutes extra, just to find out how things work.
>>
>> Andras
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Community [mailto:community-bounces at itk.org] On Behalf Of Matt
>> McCormick
>> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 7:00 PM
>> To: Bill Lorensen <bill.lorensen at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Insight-Users <insight-users at itk.org>; Hans Johnson
>> <hans-johnson at uiowa.edu>; Insight Developers List
>> <insight-developers at public.kitware.com>
>> Subject: Re: [ITK] [ITK-dev] [ITK-users] Migration to GitHub
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>> I have followed VTK's migration to GitLab, and Kitware has done an
>> excellent job with it. That said, I still think GitHub is the better choice
>> for ITK. Also, the technical and social situation has changed in the time
>> since VTK moved to GitLab.
>>
>> I think the key factor is "community", and GitHub has the open source
>> community.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 6:42 PM, Bill Lorensen <bill.lorensen at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Vtk moved to GitLab.  Have you checked with the Kitware folks to see
>>> why they didn't use gitlab?  For me, either github or gitlab is great.
>>>
>>> On Jul 31, 2017 6:03 PM, "Johnson, Hans J" <hans-johnson at uiowa.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 1000 x +1
>>>>
>>>> I enthusiastically support this proposal.
>>>>
>>>> Hans
>>>>
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>>>> On 7/31/17, 4:57 PM, "Insight-users on behalf of Jim Miller"
>>>> <insight-users-bounces at itk.org on behalf of millerjv at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     +1
>>>>
>>>>     Jim
>>>>
>>>>     > On Jul 31, 2017, at 5:07 PM, Matt McCormick
>>>> <matt.mccormick at kitware.com> wrote:
>>>>     >
>>>>     > Hi folks,
>>>>     >
>>>>     > We are considering migration of ITK's software process to
>>>> GitHub, and
>>>>     > we would like your feedback.
>>>>     >
>>>>     > As an open-source, community-driven project, mechanisms to
>>>> communicate
>>>>     > and interact with the community are a high priority for ITK.
>>>>     > Contributing should be as easy as possible. Increasingly over
>>>> the past
>>>>     > many years, GitHub has become the de facto place to interact
>>>> for open
>>>>     > source development. It is now a hub for:
>>>>     >
>>>>     >  Microsoft
>>>>     >  Facebook
>>>>     >  Google
>>>>     >  The Scientific Python Community
>>>>     >  The 3D Slicer Community
>>>>     >
>>>>     > Our InsightSoftwareConsortium GitHub organization [1] already has
>>>> 67
>>>>     > people in it and 74 repositories. There are hundreds of
>>>> projects that
>>>>     > depend on ITK on GitHub. Many ITK developers are familiar with the
>>>>     > development process on GitHub (i.e the pull request process) and
>>>>     > already have an account on this platform. There are also
>>>> advantages to
>>>>     > linking issues and commits with other projects and repositories.
>>>> Since
>>>>     > ITK thrives on the open-source development idea, everyone who
>>>> wants to
>>>>     > help the project should be able to contribute, and therefore it
>>>> should
>>>>     > be as easy as possible to start participating in the community.
>>>>     >
>>>>     > Recently, GitHub's code review capabilities have greatly improved,
>>>>     > which make it more feasible to coordinate contributions for a
>>>> large
>>>>     > project like ITK. And, there are many existing GitHub-integrated
>>>>     > services that we can leverage.
>>>>     >
>>>>     > Thanks to resources from the National Library of Medicine and
>>>>     > technological advances, it is now feasible to migrate the
>>>> project's
>>>>     > software process to GitHub. There are many infrastructural
>>>> aspects to
>>>>     > the migration, and it would take multiple months to complete.
>>>> Please
>>>>     > let us know your thoughts before we embark on the journey.
>>>>     >
>>>>     >
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