[Insight-users] SIFT/feature based registration in ITK?

Mon Nov 23 01:26:17 EST 2009

Several of us feel strongly about how software patents obstruct research.
 Interested to hear your thoughts on what the community could do to stymie
this practice or circumvent fuzzy generic patents ?

1. Can we maintain a list of list of candidate patents where alternate
methods are sought ?.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marching_cubes
Marching tetrahedrons came out of such a response from the computer graphics
community.

2. Several applicants seek to patent specific applications of published
techiniques.
Are there patents obvious ?. What can we do about them ?

Hope we can identify some actionable baby steps..

regards,
ak
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 6:39 AM, Luis Ibanez <luis.ibanez at kitware.com>wrote:

> As Bill and Michael have pointed out,
>
> The "Experimental" exception for the exclusive rights of Patents
> (in the US) applies only:
>
>               "for amusement, to satisfy idle curiosity,
>                 or strictly for philosophical inquiry."
>
> See:
>
>
> http://www.bakerbotts.com/infocenter/publications/detail.aspx?id=b7930f1d-b945-4f95-b825-fa9ac70c16af
>
> and
>
>
> http://books.google.com/books?id=-gLuY2rBU9oC&pg=RA2-PA9-IA466&lpg=RA2-PA9-IA466&dq=for+amusement,+to+satisfy+idle+curiosity&source=bl&ots=qQdZEW6lDu&sig=VyoBqK6AHJ4iEUKsRbyeXPJLjBg&hl=en&ei=idoJS4zHDpCZlAeYhaGhDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CBAQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=for%20amusement%2C%20to%20satisfy%20idle%20curiosity&f=false
>
>
> A part from that,
> you are not allowed to:
>
>   * Use
>   * Make
>   * Sell
>   * Offer for sale
>   * Import
>
> any embodiment of an invention that is protected by a Patent,
> without the permission of the Patent holder.
>
>
> More on the Research Exemption for Patents at
>
>          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_exemption
>
>
> Note also that Patents have only national jurisdiction.
> That is, the patent in question here:
>
>  "A method and apparatus for identifying scale invariant features in
>   an image and a further method and apparatus for using such scale
>   invariant features to locate an object in an image"
>
>     http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6711293
>
> only apply to the United States.
>
>
>
> Therefore, if you are outside of the US, you can make, use,
> sell, and offer for sale any implementation of this US patented
> method.
>
> Beware however,
> that is common for companies to patent the same invention
> in multiple countries.  Therefore, you still have to check with
> the patent database of your respective country.
>
>
> For more on Patents and how they obstruct the progress of science
> and technology you may want to read.
>
> "Patent Failure"
> "How Judges,Bureaucrats, and Lawyers Put Innovators at Risk"
> by James Bessen and Michael J. Meurer
> Princeton University Press
> http://www.researchoninnovation.org/dopatentswork/
>
> and
>
> "Math you can't use:"
> "Patents, Copyright, and Software "
> http://www.amazon.com/Math-You-Cant-Use-Copyright/dp/0815749422
>
> and
>
> "The Public Domain"
> "Enclosing the Commons of the Mind"
> by James Boyle
> http://www.thepublicdomain.org/
>
>
>
> BTW,
> The US Supreme Court is currently reviewing the criteria that the
> US Patent Office should use for granting patents.
>
>
> From the Wall Street Journal:
>
>
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704431804574537481229336114.html
>
> <quote>
>
> The most telling moment in the Bilski argument was when Justice Breyer
> asked how the balance should be struck between granting patents for
> methods that applied to machines as opposed to methods that apply to
> how information is used. "I don't know," he answered. "And I don't
> know whether across the board or in this area or that area patent
> protection would do no harm or more harm than good."
>
> Likewise, Justice Sotomayor said she couldn't predict the result if
> the court tried to clarify what can be patented and what can't. "I
> have no idea what the limits of that ruling will impose in the
> computer world, in the biomedical world."
>
> Such humility is rare at the Supreme Court, but as the justices come
> to a decision in this case, they should remember above all that legal
> uncertainty about intellectual property has real costs. For now, the
> most innovative parts of our economy bear the burden of uncertainty,
> with no one knowing for sure who owns what rights to which ideas,
> inventions or discoveries.
>
> </quote>
>
>
> It is not surprising that Patent Systems were abolished in several
> countries in the past: for example in The Netherlands in 1869.
>
> By the time of the American Revolution; England was the only country
> where a Patent system was in place. It was common  knowledge that
> the creation of Monopolies was detrimental for the Economy, particularly
> for a market economy.
>
>
>
> In August 1813, Thomas Jefferson wrote:
>
> "I am informed, that England was, until we copied her, the only
> country on earth which ever, by a general law, gave a legal right to
> the exclusive use of an idea. In some other countries it is sometimes
> done, in a great case, and by a special and personal act, but,
> generally speaking, other nations have thought that these monopolies
> produce more embarrassment than advantage to society; and it may be
> observed that the nations which refuse monopolies of invention, are as
> fruitful as England in new and useful devices."
>
> http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/a1_8_8s12.html
>
>
>
>      Regards,
>
>
>
>          Luis
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 2:33 AM, Michael Mai <Michael.Mai at zeiss-oim.de>
> wrote:
> > See http://www.cmake.org/Wiki/ITK_Patent_Bazaar for answer.
> > Summarized: Unfortunately no, even non-commercial research have to obey
> patents.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: insight-users-bounces at itk.org [mailto:insight-users-bounces at itk.org]
> Im Auftrag von Rupin
> > Gesendet: Freitag, 20. November 2009 00:44
> > An: insight-users at itk.org
> > Betreff: Re: [Insight-users] SIFT/feature based registration in ITK?
> >
> > Are you not allowed to use patented methods for non-commercial research
> !?!
> >
> > Rupin
> >
> > On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 12:45:22 -0800, Torsten Rohlfing
> > <torsten at synapse.sri.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Another reason for lack of motivation to implement SIFT in ITK might
> >> also be that SIFT is patented.
> >>
> >>> Someone mentioned off list that they are slowly working on writing
> >>> SIFT for ITK - has there really been no past effort like this? Is the
> >>> idea that ITK deals mainly with medical images and intensity based
> >>> registration is typically fine for those?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> David
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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